Fantastic. Why Paul emphatically instructed to the church of Ephesus and Timothy? In my opinion especially these two places where the message was sent to them are one place which is Ephesus. Paul has sent the message to Timothy while Timothy was in Ephesus and epistle of Timothy while Timothy was in the same place Ephesus. Why paul repeatedly sending similar message in two different letters? In my opinion, Ephesus is a city of Artemus, Diana, goddess. In this city there might be the superiority of females because of the goddess. Even I had been read one upon a time an article which says: "Females are creator because of a capacity of giving a birth" That is why paul making an apologetic: who was the first to be fallen? Who was the first to be created? A man or a woman? Anyways, here is an additional question: Why Paul didn't deal in other epistles about this issue? Still I want to be clear on this issue! Love and respect,
Tekle, Ethiopia.

As difficult as it is to hear, or read for that matter, you write the truth. I stumble all the time with this, I tend to be a little headstrong and independent ;-) which is fine in many areas, but absolutely not in the following of Christ. I believe many women offer important ministries in and out of Church. I cringe however, when women are in high authority within the Church, especially as Priests or Pastors because it is definitely not condoned by the Bible. Women in Old and New Testament times are called to ministry in so many different ways. They were and still are so important in God's work. None of what you referenced should make any woman feel like they are not allowed to minister in many ways, there are just a few ways that it is unacceptable. I liked your post, my hackles were riled for only a moment and then just because I continue to struggle with this. Good Job Pat!

Brother Pat,
I love your heart and appreciate so much your sharings. But I do have reservations here. I think the worship in the temple speaks to us in types for us today to consider regarding a holy worship. Your excellent explainations on baptism, for example, speaks to both the location, purpose, and purification of the priests entering into the temple. I beleive that God intended for us to understand that there is a time and place for holy worship that is distinct and seperate from "common" life. We have David playing all sorts of musical instruments in praise of his God but we with one exception we never find any such instrument being played in the temple leading us to Paul's direction in the matter "Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord"... true worship is heart worship. The same is true for women speaking in the time of sacred worship. What was good and right for Pricilla to join her husband in better educating Apollos concering his preaching would have been inappropriate during the time of called worship. As much as I appreciate the emphasis on the church being His people and not on a building one concern of mine is that we may too easily mix what is "common" with what is "sacred". In our sacred worship our women do not speak because of Paul's instructions for them not to do so. But that doesn't limit them at all in sharing in our "love feasts" (better known as Sunday dinner or pot-lucks) or to share their feelings and thoughts thru our afternoon together or on other occasions. I feel like the question is primarily addressed by the time and pupose for the occasion. The only way to make sense of Paul's instuctions that older women should teach the younger women and at other times remain silent I beleive is to understand there are "common" activities and there are "sacred" activites. Thus Paul gives instruction in one situation to teach and in another to be silent and in apply that standard we can be without compromise to recieve his admiration "For your obedience is come abroad unto all men. I am glad therefore on your behalf: but yet I would have you wise unto that which is good, and simple concerning evil."

Thanks for considering my thoughts... enlighten me where my vision is dark.

Love ya brother!

Pat,
I think your Philippians reference has a lot to say about the benefit of our sisters... the thought that Paul could have made three missionary journeys without someone to ask directions for him probably has limited probability!

I appreciate so much your spirit and join you in the thoughts of going thru continual growth and understanding in the matter. More recently it has been on my heart to better understand the purpose of worship and have concerns that so many are leaving a common gathering of believers because there is no significant vision for such a calling or purpose that seems to be in any way different from “game night” or similar times of fellowship. I have learned that at times I have accepted certain standards and have lived with a variety of expectations that I now believe are very different from the biblical pattern and see evidence of where we have disallowed what I see as a scriptural directive during our participation. At the same time I also see allowances that have been made where scripture places restriction that I am also concerned about. I don’t see one as being necessarily more harmful than another but that both should be avoided as much as can be.

It's not my intentions that my "true worship... heart worship" comment should equate to scriptural authority but rather was an observation that speaks to Christ's fulfillment of the law where the sign of physical circumcision becomes a matter of the heart along with the root concerns to adultery, murder, and so on based in the sermon on the mount.

As to types I think there is a significant, and in my estimation, wonderful parallel in the study of the temple that blends itself harmoniously with the New Testament pattern. But you are quite right to suggest that types are not the basis on which the authority for New Testament practice is made.

Let me divert momentarily to your excellent thoughts pertaining to the "unequally yoked” concern. There have been a variety of occasions when I felt that this verse was being or was in the process of becoming a violation that I felt it a duty as a brother in Christ to address the concern and warn them of what I felt was inevitable consequences for proceeding in the sin. Wither in marriage, business, or other "yoking" I cannot remember the time when the response did not include a pedigree of the unbeliever and why they were worthy of such partnership. "We've known her family all her life, her dad’s... her mom runs the local... and they do a lot of good in the community... " or "Well I understand that he never goes to church and I admit that he uses God's name in vain more than he should but he has told me that he believes in a god of some kind... just needs some time to figure that out... but man he knows how to make money!". The reasoning is endless but the final analysis is the same... because she comes from "good" parents, because he believes in "a god", because his grandparents use to go to church, or because it would just be so painful to ask someone who is attracted to each other to discontinue their relationship until they were spiritually compatible then we have reasonable exception for this union. And so where scripture says “be not unequally yoked” many have made unbiblical exceptions based on self-law that is deemed as equal in merit to God’s law. When God’s standard has been violated there are no limits to any excessive extreme once the threshold of “we have the right to make exceptions” has been crossed. For example I was amazed to find out a couple of years ago that a branch from the tradition I grew up in is now engaged in the fellowship with active homosexuals and that they are held as equals in every way to all others. I believe we can expect this result once we choose to believe that having fellowship with those active in fornication or covetousness, for example, is allowed. If you can allow one such incident based in the wisdom of men then on what basis can you refuse all such incidences?

I feel the same approach is taken with great hazard when dealing with the directive “Let your women keep silence in the churches…” I want to make clear that I believe that the context of the application of these commands is narrow in relative time and circumstance and yet I think scripture is very clear and direct in the matter. That the time in place is “in the churches” I believe limits us in context to the occasions of the brethren being gathered “in their assemblies” as a matter of interpretation. The local congregation may choose to have more than one such assembly but I believe we are to understand that the Lord asks the local congregation to gather together. Without such understanding many verses would make no sense to me if “forsaking not the assembling of yourselves together” did not suggest that there was not an occasion for such a ga

You write good articles, I will always be concerned about

I really humbly thank God for your strength and boldness in Christ' I want to to yeild to the Lord with me and consider the things below:


Let's look at Genesis 3:15,(16) Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; (and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee). ...If this was a punishment then it shows that man did not have ruler over us (women) from the beginning. Also not nothing about the woman was cursed only the serpent & the ground b/c God knew that Jesus would come through the woman! God from the beginning has been showing Himself redeeming the woman Deborah, Elizabeth, Phoebe, Miriam, (Mary)
& Priscilla.... If you say that man is over woman, then you agree that we still live under the curse and punishment, even after Jesus death, burial & resurrection! No! Men are not suppose to work to the sweat of your face, In Christ the ground Now must yeild to you/us! (We are one)

The woman since the fall with Eve has been lesson or put down or low. A normal Jewish blessing was: bless be the lord who did not make me a heathen, woman or uneducated person. Jewish rabbis in the 1st century were encouraged not to teach or even to speak with woman, he that talks much with womankind brings evil upon himself & neglects the study of the law & at last will inherit hell. B/C Eve sin men gain ruler over us, this was not the original plan of God! Genesis 3:16
1 Timothy 2:11-(14) And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

Colossians 2:13,14 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
**Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us,*** which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

**Mark 10:4 And they said, Moses suffered to write a bill of divorcement, and to put her away.
(5 *And Jesus answered and said unto them, For the **hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept**
6 But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.
7 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife;
8 And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but (one flesh). Matthew 19:11 All men cannot receive this saying. save they to whom it is given. Amp. Version: but it is for those to whom the capacity to receive it.

***JESUS STATES THE LAW (A PART OF GOD'S WORD WAS WRITTEN B/C OF THE HARDNESS OF MAN'S HEART***

Revelation 12 (whole chapter) vs 4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child. (note: get it! it is all a setup & plan of our Father!)
17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

I know what you have heard preached & oh' how good it sounded, However the Truth is that satan was not just after the man but YES! The Woman! So a man thinketh so is he! Galatians 3:28 tells us there is nor jew nor greek, no female nor male we are all one in Christ!

Let's look at Genesis 2:21-(23) And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man. Individuals have preached that in relationships looks are a must, b/c of what Adam said, however not all true, as a matter of fact it wasn't until the fall that they even knew they were naked! And the lust of the eye had not entered in yet. So don't miss the revelation of what Adam was saying!

Paul restricts women from teaching because in the first century, women were typically uneducated, and again due to the fall and
Paul only restricted the women of Ephesus from teaching.....
, I Corinthians 11:3 means to simply put it: Man came from Christ, woman came from man and Christ came from God. It is the origin of each ones identity of being "brought forth" and how we are divinely connected to one another. Being that Jesus is the (Second Adam), He is a representation of the "new birth". This scriptural text is a Spiritual guide to the rebirth of the existence of US being made in HIS image and likeness...the formula of the beginning there was...

1 Timothy 5:11-16 Pual was talking to the young widows to keep them from becoming idle & waxing cold in the Lord!!!

Greetings in the Powerful name of Jesus Christ ,

It is my hope your well and you continue better with God's work. Also we are together spiritually and freshly. We continue better with God's work.

I 'm pastor Daudi Thomas Msimbe and my wife Georgina we are Founders & Directors of a church of Great Vision Pentecostal and Ministry of People Shipping Centre (by leadership of the holly spirit) since 2003 we started this work of God and now we have nine years in the ministry , but now is already registered by country laws.

Our registration number is so. 14120. Also we have no permanent place
for worshiping God. We have some place we pay for every month.

The purpose of this letter to you servant of God is to need friendship (please read the book of Malachi 2:7) So that to be have benefit together in the body of Christ and God's work continue forward means all we are unity in body of Christ(1 Corinthians 12:7,12-27) I and My church and I we need Contacts So that we need saving God with you together
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Thank you for your cooperation between you and our ministry.

We expect you to give us your program and ways how to to do the work of God, And if possible to send kinds of spiritually books and tracts for evangelism.

So that the work of God can continue well and growth because I know our country is peacefully Greet all believers in the name of the Lord (1 Thess 5:26) first of all we need your prayers.

You are most welcome to Arusha Tanzania in East Africa

Have a blessed day

Senior Pastor Daudi Thomas Msimbe

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